Episode 67: The Best Gifts Of Christmas: Humility

Jacob Paul: Welcome to the truth and love podcast with your hosts Kimberly Faith and John Mack. The truth and love podcast seeks to present God’s timeless truth through the lens of his remarkable love.

Kimberly Faith: Well, dad, I I’m excited again about this best gifts of Christmas series that we were concluding today, to right before Christmas.

John McLarty: This is a great series.

Kimberly Faith: Yeah. Yeah. It’s been really just such a great reminder of the reason for the season. And I think that when when the Lord was putting on my heart to write the the best, gifts of Christmas series for the purposes of the devotionals, You know, the the one that he gave me for Christmas day came out of Isaiah, and it was about how, you know, Jesus the names for Jesus, wonderful counselor, the mighty God, the everlasting father, the prince of peace, and how he as our savior is our best gift. But when I was considering what what are the gifts that have really been Jesus setting the example for us on how to how to really capture the best gifts, You know?

It was his humility.

John McLarty: The best gifts of Christmas are from God, and they are God.

Kimberly Faith: Right.

John McLarty: And he was the greatest gift, but then he gives us these these gifts.

Kimberly Faith: He lived he lived them out so we could have them.

John McLarty: Mhmm.

Kimberly Faith: And I I I I’d like to start by reading Philippians two five through eight.

John McLarty: Yep.

Kimberly Faith: It says, let this mind be in you, which also was in Christ Jesus, who being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equally with equal with God, but he made himself of no reputation, taking upon himself the form of a bondservant and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. That that’s so profound.

John McLarty: It really is. I’m just looking here in that. Pardon to our readers, but just just looking back in this, it says

Kimberly Faith: In Philippians?

John McLarty: Before that yeah. In Philippians, right before the verse you just read, let this mind be anew. It says, let nothing be done through strife or vainglory in verse three, but in loneliness of mind, let each other esteem others better than themselves. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. And that mind that can be in us is from Christ.

It’s the mind of Christ. Right. That’s so interesting.

Kimberly Faith: It that is I’m glad you brought that up because the the whole the whole point that that god gave I mean, the the big idea that god gave me about this gift of humility is that it is indeed a gift. It’s it’s not something we earn or something we we discipline ourselves to do.

John McLarty: Very correct.

Kimberly Faith: It’s a gift because when we think we’re humble, then we’re not.

John McLarty: Right.

Kimberly Faith: You know, I’ve I’ve humbled myself. I’m so humble. Well, no, you’re not.

John McLarty: So let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus. That’s almost just a let the mind of Christ that’s in us through our born again nature, just let that loose.

Kimberly Faith: Right. Right.

John McLarty: Don’t put it don’t bottle it up. Yes. And don’t cover it up, actually, with with sin and pride.

Kimberly Faith: Right. Don’t don’t replace it with a carnal mind.

John McLarty: Replace it.

Kimberly Faith: Yeah. And and and just this whole idea, though, that humility is not an achievement, but it’s a gift has never been something I have I’ve never even thought about that. You know? I I don’t know how many times I’ve said in my life, I need to humble myself. Mhmm.

No. I need to have the mind of Christ, and and then I will be humble because he will give me that.

John McLarty: And Someone says they’ve defeated their pride, that means they have not defeated their pride.

Kimberly Faith: Well, it’s impossible.

John McLarty: Because yeah. They’ve defeated

Kimberly Faith: their It’s it’s impossible. The moment we say we have become humble on our own without God, then we have put placed ourself in opposition to God, and we’re on the losing side. You know, pride and pride’s so sneaky. You know? Pride is basically independence from God.

John McLarty: Yeah. When you think of Satan’s fault Yeah. You know, we won’t do a whole study into that, but his basic problem was his pride.

Kimberly Faith: Yeah. I mean, you’re right. And that was the downfall of mankind too. When when Satan tempted Eve, what did he tempt her with? The pride of life.

John McLarty: Exactly. Yeah. It’s the the root sin, so to speak.

Kimberly Faith: Yeah. And and I think it’s important it was important for me to learn, and I’m still learning this obviously, that that pride isn’t just saying, oh, I’m a great person or I can do, you know, whatever. It’s it’s thinking we can do anything, even breathe aside apart from God. You know? And and so developing humility is developing it’s the attitudes of Christ we talked about in our first set of podcasts that we ever did.

It’s all those attitudes of Christ, you know, being meek, having mercy, hating sin. I mean, all those things develop humility in us, and those are attitudes that Jesus had when he came to Earth as an as an infant.

John McLarty: Yeah. That is it. Our way, man’s way is better than God’s way.

Kimberly Faith: Right.

John McLarty: And I think of the Tower Of Babylon, we’re gonna out smart God and build build a a tower.

Kimberly Faith: And we we laugh at

John McLarty: the floodwaters.

Kimberly Faith: We we laugh at these old testament people who did things like that. We we we laugh at, you know, the Israelites. Like, how could you be so stubborn and go worship some idol, you know, made of clay or gold or, you know, sacrifice your babies too? But but that’s all pride is, is it saying I’m gonna worship someone besides God. I’m gonna make something besides God the center, and we do it every day.

We can

John McLarty: thing.

Kimberly Faith: We can do it with our phone. We can do it with our job. We can do it with our children. We can do it with sports. We can do it with whatever whatever we put our hope in.

Whatever we think about the most, dream about the most, desire the most, that becomes our source of of our becomes our God.

John McLarty: And the implication is terrible because that puts us in opposition to God.

Kimberly Faith: That’s right.

John McLarty: Puts us contrary to God.

Kimberly Faith: Yes. Yes. Because James talks about how, you know, pride makes us at enmity with God. And, you know, we’re on the wrong side of history. We’re on the losing side of history.

John McLarty: Well, yeah, James four six, God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.

Kimberly Faith: Yes.

John McLarty: Do we wanna be in a place in life where we’re running into the god’s resistance? Yes. I don’t.

Kimberly Faith: I don’t either.

John McLarty: I mean, we do because of our pride and our

Kimberly Faith: selfishness. Right.

John McLarty: But I want, you know, I want to god be with me. Yes. Yes. Yeah. That’s kind of you know, I just I just tell people this all the time.

Why would you set up a life lifestyle? If you’re a Christian, I mean, I understand if you’re not a Christian, you’re just living your own life. And just like me, I was just blindsided with the gospel and like, wow, I am a sinner. I need to be saved.

Kimberly Faith: But as a Christian,

John McLarty: why why would we wanna be opposed to God and not having him blessing us?

Kimberly Faith: Yeah.

John McLarty: And I think I think you said this before, we’re a little off track here, but it’s because I don’t think we’ve fully experienced God’s blessings in abundant life.

Kimberly Faith: Or his presence.

John McLarty: Or once you taste that water Mhmm. You know, why would you go back to, you know, murky water?

Kimberly Faith: Right. Right. No. I think I think you’re hitting on something that has a lot to do with this gift of humility, though, because when when the world when we think according to the carnal mind, the the word humility has a completely different meaning. It it it it’s almost like slavery.

It’s almost like the worst abject form of slavery we could have. That’s how humility a lot of times is is it’s we are deceived in thinking that’s what humility is.

John McLarty: Like, beat somebody’s doormat.

Kimberly Faith: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, an abused woman or, you know, a boss that just has the screws put on you. Mhmm.

And it’s that’s not how it is at all. It’s God exalts the humble. He gives grace to the humble, and he gives strength to the humble. It the Bible talks about how, that God uses the weak to confound the mighty. Right.

Well, what is weakness there? Weakness is the same attitude of Christ that we call meekness. Right? It’s strength under control of the of almighty God. It’s, the the the the stallion only becomes great and useful when it’s under the hands of a master who can make him race.

John McLarty: Right.

Kimberly Faith: You know? Otherwise, it’s just wild wild, you know, running around the field not not doing anything useful, maybe tearing things up. Right?

John McLarty: So it gives us the ability to use our talents in god’s service

Kimberly Faith: Exactly.

John McLarty: Which blesses us and blesses others. It actually blesses us by blessing others.

Kimberly Faith: Right. Right.

John McLarty: That’s not that’s Jesus’ lifestyle.

Kimberly Faith: It was Jesus’ lifestyle, and it’s and it’s actually manifested in in every area of of discipline that we are we even understand. Like, whether it’s military, whether it’s sports, whether it’s, being a musician, you don’t become great at those things until you subject yourself to a master. You you don’t just have you know, you aren’t gonna become a master cellist without some mastering. And it’s a question of who is our master? Is it us?

Is it our enemy, which is even worse? Or is it the Lord Jesus Christ who set the example?

John McLarty: And Romans eight seven says the carnal mind, so the mind of our flesh is enmity

Kimberly Faith: against God. Mhmm.

John McLarty: That’s not a place we wanna be.

Kimberly Faith: No. No. It it’s it’s kinda like, you know, when when Jonathan, my son, was five. You know, if he wanted to eat, if he wanted clothing, if he wanted to be clean, if he wanted to go to school, if he wanted to do all the things that make his life better, then he wasn’t gonna be at enmity with his parents. He needed to be in obedience.

Otherwise, he’d spent a lot of time

John McLarty: And for his own benefit.

Kimberly Faith: For his own benefit.

John McLarty: Yeah.

Kimberly Faith: Yeah. For his best. I mean, we talk about I think it’s old school to say it in the woodshed. I didn’t have a woodshed for my kids, but, you know, there was plenty of in enforcement, law enforcement. And I think every one of the children today would say they’re better off for having been disciplined, and it was all creative because they’re all different.

Right? And and God says, look. You can fight me. You can fight me. It’s not a great life, or you can just obey and do it because you love me.

And it’s kinda

John McLarty: That’s the key.

Kimberly Faith: It’s kinda like when, you know, when I was a kid and I didn’t wanna do something, a chore, and I could stomp through it and, you know, under fear of punishment, grounding, or I could just do it because I wanted to see a smile on your face. Mhmm. You know? There’s a huge difference in the

John McLarty: Much better solution.

Kimberly Faith: It’s a much better solution, and the blessing is multifold. Mhmm. You know? And it’s the same way with God. Humility, you know, again, we don’t even have a desire to obey God unless we’re born again.

John McLarty: Yeah. That’s that’s really important to make that distinction. Mhmm. So humility in the flesh is just, you know I mean, there there is this kind of false humility, and it’s it’s almost this

Kimberly Faith: Self gratification.

John McLarty: Self gratification. It’s, you know, at work, you know, just somebody, you know

Kimberly Faith: You might please the

John McLarty: boss’s pet Right. To get a promotion. Right.

Kimberly Faith: I’ll get the boss coffee.

John McLarty: Yeah.

Kimberly Faith: You know? I’ll be or I’ll take out the trash bowl if somebody’s so I can

John McLarty: You said earlier, pride is so deceitful.

Kimberly Faith: Mhmm. It’s

John McLarty: like, I’ll I’ll I’ll be humble.

Kimberly Faith: Right. But you have false motivation.

John McLarty: But yeah.

Kimberly Faith: You have a selfish motivation. Well, because our flesh is not capable of having God’s love.

John McLarty: It’s literally not capable.

Kimberly Faith: It’s it’s yeah. Yes. We have no pure motivation without Jesus. And then when we’re born again, our soul and spirit are made in Christ, So they’re made alive. We are connected to God.

We’re able to connect. It’s like plugging into the electric source. Right? Then we’re enabled, but we don’t our flesh is no better than the day we were born again. The enemy is still hovering.

This enemy is still looking to derail us, discredit our our testimony, make us miserable. The most miserable people on the earth, and I can say this because I’ve been one of them, is a Christian who’s living in the world. Mhmm. Because you have the born again part of you, but then you’re dabbling in the sin that crucified your savior. I mean, talk about talk about a traitor.

You know? Talk about a Benedict Arnold living you’re living on the battlefield. You know there’s a battle raging all around you. You see your brothers and sisters in Christ falling and and bleeding and and and dying and for a cause that’s greater than themselves. And what do you do?

You’re hiding in a foxhole eating bonbons with the enemy.

John McLarty: And that robs us of our joy.

Kimberly Faith: Yeah. I didn’t mean to get off on that. But

John McLarty: Yeah. That robs us of our joy.

Kimberly Faith: And and and also yes. Because when we don’t have that’s a real rabbit. Sorry about that. But I just I I I’m pointing my finger at myself because I know how I am. It’s so easy to crawl into that foxhole with the enemy.

John McLarty: Well, and it’s this idea that once you’ve been born again, it’s not automatic.

Kimberly Faith: Right.

John McLarty: That you’re just oh, now you’re born again. You’re going to be this humble, servant. We can go quite the opposite direction.

Kimberly Faith: Yes. And we do. And and it doesn’t take I mean, just takes one thought to get us derailed, and and we we follow it.

John McLarty: It’s a slippery slope.

Kimberly Faith: Mhmm. So but with humility, the reason in my experience, the reason humility is such a gift is because it it empties us of self, and we are a slave to ourselves. So it takes it takes our slavery, and, we become a slave to Jesus who is love.

John McLarty: That’s really interesting because, you know, even when you you talk about going back as a Christian into a low lifestyle Mhmm. You become a slave to that sin.

Kimberly Faith: Yes.

John McLarty: And so we think it’s freedom. And even the world thinks, you know, that the non Christian world, they think freedom is wonderful and is going to I mean, we all

Kimberly Faith: Freedom is doing anything you want. You

John McLarty: want to. Right. But that’s really it’s just that is truly slavery itself.

Kimberly Faith: Yeah. Because

John McLarty: And it brings bondage and despair and unhappiness and anxiety.

Kimberly Faith: Right. Right. Because freedom true freedom isn’t doing isn’t serving yourself. True freedom is becoming selfless and being free of the bondage of self and selfishness. I mean, you think, you know, our carnal mind turns everything back to self.

Our needs, our image, our opinions, our our justice, our fairness, our accomplishments. And when we are because the Bible says we’re designed in the image of God, and God isn’t that way. God is well, he deserves to be glorified because he is God. But Jesus this is why Christmas this gift of Christmas is so amazing because Jesus humbled himself. That that verses we the verses we first read, he humbled himself.

He even though he had the right to be the king, he humbled himself and became the servant, the slave, the the oppressed, the rejected because he had a greater purpose than his kingship even.

John McLarty: Right.

Kimberly Faith: And we don’t even have the right to claim that we’re the king of kings, but he’s given us the privilege to to identify with him, to be in the to be in the harness with him, to be representing the greatest being on the on the face of the universe.

John McLarty: He set the example, and isn’t it interesting that the key to salvation is to actually just yield to that.

Kimberly Faith: That’s right.

John McLarty: It comes from him.

Kimberly Faith: Exactly.

John McLarty: So just to be clear, when we hear the gospel, we’re given repentance and faith. But as we yield to that, we humble ourselves. Or actually, we’re humble. We yield to the humbling of God and we become poor in spirit. It’s like putting self aside because Jesus is drawing us.

Kimberly Faith: Right.

John McLarty: And then we the poor in spirit, the meek is

Kimberly Faith: All those attitudes are Christ.

John McLarty: Those attitudes are Christ.

Kimberly Faith: You know, I’m glad you brought that up because you know, the Lord is just so good to keep teaching us through his word. And I forget some of these lessons that he has, kind of brought to mind. That whole, series on the attitudes of Christ based in the beatitudes, it’s just such a game changer. You know? I think the two one two of the greatest lessons that God has taught me in 2025 is the attitudes of Christ.

And I and I say he’s taught me, I’m not saying I’ve arrived. I’m saying that I’m beginning to learn. You know? Mhmm. Is this because I don’t think my flesh will ever be any better.

It’s this is a daily challenge. But the attitudes of Christ of being poor in spirit, being meek, being, hating sin, loving, learning to put others in front of yourself. Right? And that’s what Jesus said. The whole great commandment is love God with all your heart, soul, and mind.

Love others and your neighbors yourself. And then having the mind of Christ. Because I feel like one deals with our desires, the other one deals with our thinking. Does that make sense? And then when we do those things, we because God has given us this gift of salvation, not out of any motivation for self gratification, then we find that we are living in the same humility Christ lived in.

John McLarty: And it’s all to his glory. I’m thinking of that verse, grace are you saved through faith and it’s not of works. And this is just proof that humility, this poor spirit is nothing we do.

Kimberly Faith: Right.

John McLarty: Because it says, where’s boasting then? There’s no boasting.

Kimberly Faith: Right. Not of works lest any man should boast.

John McLarty: Should boast. It’s not something we did. It’s something we yielded to.

Kimberly Faith: Absolutely.

John McLarty: And then the Christian life is like that.

Kimberly Faith: Absolutely. That’s

John McLarty: kinda what we’re pointing at.

Kimberly Faith: Yeah. Yeah. This this podcast

John McLarty: is just a continuation of receiving that gift.

Kimberly Faith: Right. Right. Because this this podcast we know is a gift from God. It’s not I mean, I would be scared to death to do this podcast without the spirit of the Lord. That’s I I mean

John McLarty: Very true.

Kimberly Faith: I wouldn’t even know what to say. Mhmm. You know? But, you know, we’re sitting here recording this, and I can feel the spirit of the Lord here with us Because when we before the we recorded this podcast, we asked the Lord to take over.

John McLarty: Mhmm.

Kimberly Faith: And and again, that humility is not you or me. That is Jesus in us.

John McLarty: And for these podcasts, we truly just trust in the Lord. We we’re gonna do a lot of studying prep and trial runs.

Kimberly Faith: No. We don’t really have time, do we, dad? We don’t. You’re a retired man that’s busier than he was before he had a job, and I don’t even know what my job is anymore. But it’s it really is

John McLarty: But God is good.

Kimberly Faith: Yeah. It’s it’s just such a it’s such a gift, Humility when I say it’s not difficult, what I mean by that is it’s difficult to become an ultramarathon runner. That’s difficult. That’s a lot of discipline. Humility is just saying, you know, I do to God every day.

I do, not me, not my will, but yours be done every day, every in every area of our life. It may be our what we watch on television, what we listen to on the radio, maybe what we, you know, the kind of work we do, what we say while we’re at work, what we what we think about before we go to bed. Every area of our life can be permeated by the presence of God when we allow him to be on the throne instead of us being on the throne, which is really the the essence of humility.

John McLarty: And that kinda gives us the I love the the attitudes of of humility, and it goes back to the the podcast we did on the beatitudes.

Kimberly Faith: Mhmm.

John McLarty: And that number one, you know, the key to salvation, blessed are the poor in spirit.

Kimberly Faith: Mhmm.

John McLarty: But that’s also the key to the Christian life.

Kimberly Faith: Absolutely.

John McLarty: But then the rest of them, blessed are those who mourn, meaning having this abhorrence of of sin and the effects of sin.

Kimberly Faith: Yes. The destructive

John McLarty: nature. Oh my goodness. I don’t even wanna get much into it, but just sin. We’ve been talking recently about this this awful persecution in Nigeria.

Kimberly Faith: And

John McLarty: Satan’s just on a rampage.

Kimberly Faith: Yeah. Yeah. In the name of religion, which is amazing.

John McLarty: So that we’ve got to be on guard against just sin in our own life because it’s people do not realize how destructive sin is.

Kimberly Faith: Absolutely. And you even It

John McLarty: just brings awfulness.

Kimberly Faith: When you think it’s everything bad in the world is because of sin. Right. And you think about when you think about blessed are the meek too, which is out also out of Matthew five five, we talk about we have such a culture that is so about asserting my rights. I’m going to assert my rights. I mean, even when you think about, you know, the well, let let’s just say the the tension I don’t think it’d be political, but the tension between the ICE agents and the illegal immigrants.

You know? We we have one right, and that is as born again believers, we have the right to serve the Lord. Mhmm. You know? And we talk about our response as Christians, not to get off into this little bit of a rabbit, but I think it goes along with humility.

Because if we approached that tension, those two issues, you know, well, we should have compassion for illegal immigrants, which we should, and we should have but we should have justice in our country because we have to have laws. Right? And the bible covers both of those things. But the balance between truth and love is humility, because in humility, we’re put into instead of opposition with God, which is what sin does, we’re put into God’s, God’s play his perfect mind and his perfect will, and he knows the answer. And, you know, we can’t see that answer.

We we see through a glass darkly. That’s what’s so beautiful about the the first Corinthians 13 that talks about what love is. Right? Mhmm. He he says, we see through a glass darkly.

Someday we’re gonna see face to face, but God doesn’t see darkly. God sees perfectly, And when we are able to, be in alignment with him through the gift of humility, then we don’t have to see everything or know everything or understand everything. We can act in accordance to how his spirit guides us. And that’s what humility does. The gift of humility puts us into God’s marvelous wisdom, his incredible strength, you know, in in his love that is deeper than the ocean.

You know? We don’t have to understand it all. And we don’t have to demand our rights.

John McLarty: I might say we should be walking in the spirit.

Kimberly Faith: That’s right.

John McLarty: Let it the Lord.

Kimberly Faith: That’s right.

John McLarty: Just, you know, his humble servants.

Kimberly Faith: Yeah.

John McLarty: And, again, that’s just that’s the goal. No one attains that every day. It’s an hour Mhmm. By hour, minute by minute, five. Yeah.

But that’s what Jesus was like. You know, when people say, you know, find fault with Christians, one of my go tos is, well, read the New Testament and find fault with Jesus.

Kimberly Faith: I love that. I love that. That’s such a great answer because you’re not gonna find you’re gonna every Christian you look at, you’re gonna find fault with. Everyone we’re all still just, you know, tempted and and often ruled by the flesh, even though we don’t wanna be. I mean, Paul the apostle in Romans chapter seven, I when I would do good, evil is present with me, and he talked about that great battle.

And I just I love that you just point people back to Jesus. Mhmm. Because he he wants the you know, I look at the great gifts of Christmas. This the reason I think humility is is so important is because when we are living in true submission to Christ, then we are free from the exhausting burden of self. We’re free from the burden of our self image.

We’re free to be compassionate, to be selfless, to not be defensive. We don’t need credit. We don’t need to prove ourselves. We’re really just free from the tyranny of the enemy.

John McLarty: Thinking the the verse, if the sun has made us free, we’re free indeed.

Kimberly Faith: Absolutely. Absolutely. And that’s what humility, the gift of humility does. It frees us. And gosh.

John McLarty: You know, in this season, this very season, this Christmas season reminds us, that God humbled himself first.

Kimberly Faith: He set the example.

John McLarty: He set the example. Yeah. I mean, the very God of heaven came to Earth as a little baby and suffered the indignities of mankind heaped upon him.

Kimberly Faith: And

John McLarty: then he said, Father, forgive them. They don’t know what they do.

Kimberly Faith: Yeah. What a gift it is to humble ourselves and remember that this Christmas, we have the opportunity to take up our cross and follow Jesus.

John McLarty: And he did it for us.

Kimberly Faith: So we could do it for him.

John McLarty: Right. So we could do it for him.

Kimberly Faith: Yeah. Instead of looking at this as a burden, we need to look at this as an opportunity because it is a great opportunity. We we talked in the last couple podcasts about the eternal gifts and about the five crowns. I think if we could get a glimpse of what those things look like, we would it would be a no brainer for us to put ourself into submission and follow Jesus in every way.

John McLarty: Yeah. It’s like we’ve said before. Once we get an idea of the blessings of God Mhmm. Abundant life, it’s why would we choose that murky pond water?

Kimberly Faith: Exactly.

John McLarty: Why wouldn’t we go to the the living waters?

Kimberly Faith: Yeah. Yeah. So the the gift of humility in my mind is is I don’t know. I I just think about we’re coming up on Christmas here, in a in a few days, and it’s like, I I can’t think of a greater gift for God to give us than the gift to be like Jesus. Yeah.

John McLarty: May God give us that marvelous that marvelous gift of not only a son, but then living for him.

Kimberly Faith: Yeah. Yeah.

John McLarty: That’s a that’s a life of just humble service, which, again, neither you we say this over and over. There’s no self righteousness.

Kimberly Faith: Right.

John McLarty: It’s just like we we would like to be like this.

Kimberly Faith: Exactly. Yeah. No. It’s a

John McLarty: That’s a goal.

Kimberly Faith: It’s a daily

John McLarty: have that goal.

Kimberly Faith: Right. It’s okay. It and it’s good to talk about that goal goal and encourage you know, because when

John McLarty: Challenge ourselves.

Kimberly Faith: Yes. And when we have experienced glimpses of that and tastes of that, you know, of God’s presence just taking over our life, we need to share that not because we’re bragging because we’re not bragging. It’s not us. It’s him. But because it’s so like, it’s addicting, and it’s it’s catching.

It’s you if you just drank from the if you were in a desert and just drank from an oasis, you’d be telling everybody in the desert, hey. Over here. Right. There’s an oasis. Come over here.

This is a great place to drink. And, you know, and I feel like that’s what God’s presence through this gift of humility does for us. It makes us excited, gives us a reason to live. And what a great Christmas message it is to have a great reason to live. You know?

John McLarty: And what a great message for this this Christmas season is that the greatest gift with Jesus, a humble servant.

Kimberly Faith: Amen, dad. Amen.

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